Subject	Well, my point is mainly the fact that a JWT Sport500
Posted by	AshsZ on January 23, 2004 at 6:55 PM
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In Reply To	grr. that doesn't help me much posted by aliaZ on January 23, 2004 at 06:50 PM
Message	wont make 500RWHP. A JWT 400 cam upgrade doesn't necessarily mean you will make 400RWHP.. Numbers like lift, duration, etc, dont really tell you a whole lot. The proof is in the pudding - build it, take it to the dyno, and see what it actually does and let the nomenclature fall wayside to actual numbers. :) [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] [ Z1 Motorsports Website ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	DYNO Day: Chris Damato's Z1 Built, HKS2530 Powered AutoTT>>> - AshsZ 16:08:00 01/23/04 I dread the day Z1 gets an in-house dyno.. - MaxBoostTT 16:20:32 01/23/04 If you only knew.. ;-) (n/m) - AshsZ 16:39:25 01/23/04 Any SAE Charts??...Nice numbers BTW....... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 16:21:47 01/23/04 Nope. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:23:12 01/23/04 don't poke the dragon. - ni[X]it 16:25:27 01/23/04 It was 12:1 on race fuel, 11:1 on pump fuel. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:27:26 01/23/04 right. I understand. - ni[X]it 16:30:01 01/23/04 Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for the support! (n/m) - AshsZ 16:36:59 01/23/04 im lost...saw this twice ---> "disco potato" - genic 16:22:10 01/23/04 Disco Potato turbos are just like the HKS2530's, but they - AshsZ 16:26:32 01/23/04 interesting. never heard that term until today...im stupid (n/m) - genic 16:27:54 01/23/04 I don't know what drugs Z1 has you on,.... - ni[X]it 16:28:08 01/23/04 coke does the body good - SL103 16:40:45 01/23/04 wrong - aliaZ 16:29:46 01/23/04 Marginal difference in the compressor wheel, yes. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:35:30 01/23/04 hmm - aliaZ 16:38:28 01/23/04 And our Stage3BB turbos are actually disco potato turbos, - AshsZ 16:38:53 01/23/04 thanks (n/m) - aliaZ 16:50:15 01/23/04 That 2530 car was with the .64 housing, NOT the .86, BTW - Scotts94z32 17:22:38 01/23/04 Well, I was told otherwise.. - AshsZ 18:11:31 01/23/04 TWO 2530 cars have recently been built. One with .64, one - Scotts94z32 21:48:41 01/23/04 What manifold did that car have , the other 2530 (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:14:35 01/23/04 Both of their GT2530 cars have Nissan manifolds. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 21:52:03 01/23/04 Garret GT28R turbo that was first tested/used on a 91 Sentra - TtrboStarZ 16:28:41 01/23/04 Also 62 trim compressor and 76 trim turbine housing (n/m) - TtrboStarZ 16:30:46 01/23/04 Actually its the GT28RS. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:22:54 01/23/04 You guys know what you're doing, don't you?:) (n/m) - emo236 16:23:18 01/23/04 Question... - kickboxr99 16:24:32 01/23/04 Personally? I put 300 easy miles on it and then - AshsZ 16:33:22 01/23/04 Thank you, that helps =) (n/m) - kickboxr99 17:10:03 01/23/04 don't forget about the oil change after the first 10min of - John@Z1 17:15:57 01/23/04 I knew it would make those numbers!! Spool is great too! (n/m) - larryb 16:30:03 01/23/04 nice numbers. which cams? (n/m) - aliaZ 16:32:37 01/23/04 2nd on the cams. (n/m) - larryb 17:04:55 01/23/04 This engine uses our biggest cam, Z1-Spec. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:08:22 01/23/04 can these cams use the early timing gears? (n/m) - aliaZ 17:19:03 01/23/04 jesus - maxl(Indy) 16:36:21 01/23/04 Those look like the turbos to get! - degradated 16:39:47 01/23/04 Well, I'm thinking the disco potato (Z1 Stage3BB) will be - AshsZ 16:41:11 01/23/04 What kind of tuning was done on Chris' car? - degradated 16:48:01 01/23/04 I always perform a 'complete' tune of the car on a dyno. - AshsZ 17:06:46 01/23/04 It's all about the power of the zem! (n/m) - John@Z1 17:09:30 01/23/04 who designed that thing anyway ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 17:24:43 01/23/04 its all about the tuner. The Zem is just a tool (n/m) - aliaZ 17:36:44 01/23/04 So is the tuner. (n/m) - ZHOUND 17:38:08 01/23/04 If you knew John, you'd know he was just being silly there. - AshsZ 17:38:52 01/23/04 yep, I just like for people to act like I want them to };> (n/m) - John@Z1 17:42:57 01/23/04 I was indirectly paying Ash a compliment on his tuning - aliaZ 17:47:51 01/23/04 LOL, thanks for the support bro! (n/m) - AshsZ 18:15:36 01/23/04 this car also had better IC's imho - aliaZ 16:45:56 01/23/04 Good point... - degradated 16:56:56 01/23/04 don't forget he has portwork and all that good stuff too! - Gsujeff55 19:54:08 01/23/04 Fantastic Job! I have been wondering how this combo would - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 16:51:46 01/23/04 Wonder why the graph is not SAE. (n/m) - ZHOUND 16:56:28 01/23/04 When its cold out Dyno's correct down..... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 17:02:08 01/23/04 So - ZHOUND 17:10:35 01/23/04 SAE was like 587RWHP.. We were looking through the - AshsZ 17:12:13 01/23/04 Print the corrected graph and post it. (n/m) - ZHOUND 17:14:41 01/23/04 I dont have the ability to do that here, but I can get - AshsZ 17:19:15 01/23/04 Second that, we get so much crap when we - colocomp (Denver) 17:21:02 01/23/04 They are corrected, but using the STD correction, not SAE. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:26:08 01/23/04 STD correction is ALWAYS at least 4% higher than SAE. (n/m) - ZHOUND 17:30:57 01/23/04 It showed 587RWHP in SAE.. I can get them for you if it - AshsZ 17:34:09 01/23/04 I find it funny he jumps in to dispute our numbers, - colocomp (Denver) 17:44:47 01/23/04 That's Mr. Ass Master to you, son. =) (n/m) - AshsZ 19:25:12 01/23/04 Awesome awesome curve! Love the power @ 3500 rpms! (n/m) - Arnel(Z32R.com) 16:58:51 01/23/04 IS he using STOCK cams??????? (n/m) - kabubi13(Tx) 17:12:26 01/23/04 no he isn't - aliaZ 17:21:33 01/23/04 i'd like to see a car get those cams and gain 50 rwhp. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 17:24:26 01/23/04 Its usually about 40-50RWHP gained.. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:28:16 01/23/04 would I need 94-96 cam gears with this cam? (n/m) - aliaZ 17:32:50 01/23/04 No. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:42:47 01/23/04 interesting... - aliaZ 17:46:27 01/23/04 The JWT400 cams are smaller than these.. (n/m) - AshsZ 18:04:32 01/23/04 lift and duration specs? - aliaZ 18:32:16 01/23/04 On a car with GD manifolds, HKS2530's, portwork, and - AshsZ 18:37:53 01/23/04 grr. that doesn't help me much - aliaZ 18:50:10 01/23/04 Well, my point is mainly the fact that a JWT Sport500 - AshsZ 18:55:59 01/23/04 Just an FYI: They were never rated for RWHP numbers - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:35:43 01/23/04 Golly gee, you must be kidding. I never thunk that. (n/m) - AshsZ 12:08:42 01/24/04 I agree, I like to actual specs of the cam, not market - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 21:44:12 01/23/04 Wow, that chart looks great. (n/m) - dlaw300z(Austin) 17:06:36 01/23/04 something is off with the HP axis, no? The curves don't - Scotts94z32 17:34:05 01/23/04 They all match. TQ and HP aren't on the same scale - AshsZ 17:36:04 01/23/04 Got it... it did look a bit awkward, especially w/o int at - Scotts94z32 17:42:16 01/23/04 Its "Divale" you skinny punk! You get the CD yet? - RegalZ 17:35:59 01/23/04 LOL, yeah.. slipped on that one. But no, no CD biche! - AshsZ 17:37:27 01/23/04 Nope, I spent all my money at Z1 and Fanny's, sent Priority (n/m) - RegalZ 17:40:01 01/23/04 it's fannies, fat boy (n/m) - John@Z1 17:46:45 01/23/04 not an apples to apples comparison imho - aliaZ 17:43:50 01/23/04 Hmm... but yours was only tuned to around 22 psi - degradated 17:44:05 01/23/04 If I remember correctly 22PSI is when it started detonating (n/m) - RegalZ 11:32:03 01/24/04 Nice work! Is this the 1st GT2530 + GD Inconel Header combo - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 17:47:35 01/23/04 YES. (n/m) - larryb 17:53:48 01/23/04 Those inconel really make it breath. How much timing - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:06:46 01/23/04 Yeah, they do. There's a lot more to it than just the - AshsZ 18:14:42 01/23/04 how much timing on the top end? (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:15:49 01/23/04 It was actually pretty conservative. With the engine - AshsZ 18:25:52 01/23/04 What timing is considered conservative with race fuel? (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 20:52:00 01/23/04 Can you give me some numbers? You would make a great - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 22:24:55 01/23/04 Mike, I commend your effort, BUT >> - Chip(GMS Racing) 10:33:58 01/24/04 You are right. Ever since he went commercial it' been - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:44:31 01/24/04 This is one impressive Dyno plot !! - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 18:24:30 01/23/04 Re: DYNO Day: Chris Damato's Z1 Built, HKS2530 Powered AutoTT>>> - John@Z1 18:56:51 01/23/04 And then the low fuel light turns on. :-( God I hate when - AshsZ 19:00:02 01/23/04 Yep, ultra bummer. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:31:54 01/23/04 What Driveline Mods? Tranny and/or Converter? Stock? (n/m) - Eggman 19:10:49 01/23/04 yes all stock (n/m) - John@Z1 19:16:02 01/23/04 Reliablity of stock with that HP/TQ rating? - Eggman 19:22:13 01/23/04 A stock tranny wont hold up long with that - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 19:27:35 01/23/04 Stock trans will die a quick and furious death with this - AshsZ 19:28:56 01/23/04 CONGRATS CHRIS. couldn't of happened to a better guy! - Gsujeff55 19:55:14 01/23/04 500 rwhp @ 4k rpm...Nice! (n/m) - 1BADTTZ (So Cal) 20:04:24 01/23/04 That's actually his torque (which is still really good!) (n/m) - degradated 20:11:57 01/23/04 Your right, it actually hit at 4.7K rpm. 300rpm sooner - 1BADTTZ (So Cal) 20:20:22 01/23/04 Re: That's actually his torque (which is still really good!) - Velox 21:46:57 01/23/04 The GD manifolds are helping the tq at the low end. - xybertron 00:51:57 01/24/04 Don't higher lift/duration cams usually end up - degradated 01:09:52 01/24/04 nice. post the actual numbers (x hp@ y rpm) so i can put the - Bernie (OOParts International) 20:52:45 01/23/04
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